So I was at the initial startup, which was much smaller. And what I've learned that you can move in multiple different directions, you move to a company in one capacity, potentially, if it's small tech company, a startup for say, you can move into other roles, and you can really learn and depending on how much you're willing to commit, and so I would say, you know, the advice there is really don't be overly selective. What Should I Learn as a Beginner: Python 2 or Python 3. Laurence Bradford 31:32 Everyone has seen trolls on the internet. But that's not the reality always. You are in decent physical shape and can lift at least 50lbs multiples times throughout the day. In today's episode, I talk with Sameer Syed. And the more projects you can get involved in, the sooner you will be able to talk yourself into that all-important BA role. Exactly. Sometimes people are taking a pay cut, not always right. I joined when they had maybe 12 people I left when they were 50. Free Online Screen Recording Tool – RecordCast, 3 Ways to Keep Your Data Secure During Transitions. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. But what matters is if you're really serious about building a career on your own terms that is, is that you keep trying new things, even if you decide to stay in your current role for another few years. Because when you're coming from a non technical background, there is a slight suspicion as to why you want to join a tech company. You have to be persistent, you have to be focused and you have to have a clear plan. Get 10 tips on how to launch your tech career. How to Break Into Tech Even if You Aren’t a Born-and-Bred … Everyone I know people have spent two, three years trying to transition. Now why don't we make our friendship official? And I realized it wasn't. I was actually completely blown away. Everything you try in your career is going to lead to somewhere new, and it may often be places you can't even predict.”. This is truly an indie or a bootstrapped setup. They both like are very broad can mean so many things and I think it's the same with a lot of roles in tech where like the title at one company could be one thing and The same person with that title and other company, their job could look like entirely different. And we're like, beyond 90 episodes now who works in business development. Sameer works at jigsaw a team within Google slash alphabet. So, at least in my experience, and I know, even here working at Google, you do this screening process, you really want to make sure people are very genuine, especially when maybe on their resume. And that's so that's my work. A lot of small companies, things change so quickly. And I think that's the biggest misconception people have. Let's take a look at the top four certifications that can help you break into the tech industry: 1. After pursuing a new career in tech, Sameer eventually found that “passion work” as part of the team at Google offshoot company Jigsaw. Not even AOL wanted me. And it's really around the idea of the spread of false information. Before we get started I though I should give a bit of background information on my motivation to write this article. So I can look at opportunities that don't even have that. “When you move into the industry, yes, you may not get health insurance, or you may not get certain types of things that you're accustomed to,” Sameer explains. Yeah, so for me specifically, I gave myself about nine months, nine months to about a year, I decided, Okay, I'm starting today, I'm going to start networking. So when I graduated from from college, I went into finance, I went into investment banking, and I worked at JP Morgan, one of the bulge bracket investment banks, and it was a great experience. Sure, yeah. If you continue using the site, we'll assume you're happy with this. When you are confident that you have the skills, you can start by looking for an opportunity in small companies and ask for the lowest role. This is something I started about six years ago, and the community is now close to about 2000 people. So in many countries around the world, important news is silence and activists are repressed by governments who want to limit free expression. But it was essentially almost unpaid. Laurence Bradford 33:44 Hey, Samir, thank you so much for coming on the show. Six ways to break into the tech industry (with little or no … The certs will definitely help you. So it's a little more being aggressive, and really, really hustling to sort of build context and, and promote the product or company in the industry and trying to get users to actually use the product, right, you want to build a following. Sameer Syed 4:38 Before you go ahead and book the first bus to North Dakota in hopes of a big pay day, you need to understand what the basic qualifications are for entry level positions. About half way through my 3rd year I knew that the only area that I wanted to work in was AI. 1. But what I also love that you mentioned is like with creating your own path. Could you just briefly tell us about what you're up to today? So it really depends on everybody's situation. And fortunately, it worked out.”, You’re already taking a leap by pursuing a new career, so embrace that mentality. The second one is developing a solid timeline and plan. “Be open to taking those risks. I haven't done it yet. What kind of opportunities can I create for myself? Sameer Syed 22:35 you're betting a little bit more in equity when you're a smaller company. And I'd say the last area we're focused on is disinformation. So that's definitely part of the selection criteria for sure. Anyway, I really, really appreciate all of your support from reviewing the show to sharing with your friends and family to posting about it on social media. Sameer Syed 18:17 Sameer Syed 11:41 I hope that's okay. So So for me, what I did was I actually started to work backwards. But I also wanted to get into the startup space. “Understand what you're willing to give up.”, “My first job in tech was almost unpaid because the company was going through fundraising and just didn’t have a lot of money. Some people have a tech degree but are still jobless to date. Getting your resume submitted via someone at the company you’re applying to will massively increase your chances of getting an interview. So for those who may have seen anything online, in my online presence, So I'm currently at Google, I work on a pretty small team about 50 people, and it's called jigsaw. I even applied to AOL for a call centerjob, and never heard back. But in general, the tech sector is moving in that direction, which is a nice thing to have, because when you move into the industry, yes, like you were saying you may not get health insurance or you may not get certain types. You get those points. Perfect. “The second one is developing a solid timelining plan. So that was a really big one for me. “I decided, Okay, I'm starting today, I'm going to start putting myself out there, I'm going to start to see, Is there a place for me out there in the tech world? They were going through the fundraising process, and they couldn't afford to bring on an additional person full time and to have full time salary. They said, Look, you know, you don't have to stay. If you are capable of teaching yourself, go ahead, and do it. Laurence Bradford 0:24 Hey listeners, and welcome to the Learn to Code With Me podcast. These cookies do not store any personal information. Laurence Bradford 2:43 Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. I was excited by the problem that they were trying to solve in the tech industry. The third I would say is understanding the tech space. But I do think a person could plan for that, and maybe save over the course of like six months or something. What kind of opportunities can I create for myself and for myself, and I started to think I was like, in nine months, if I do Have any solid traction, any solid leads, if I haven't gone anywhere, I should probably take a step back, continue down the path that I'm going down right now, and reconsider. You cannot work with them if you have less than three years’ experience. So that's something I'm willing to give up. Keep in mind, I think, you know, for those listening, if you're looking to make a transition, yours is likely going to be similar. It is LinkedIn.com/Sameer H is my middle, initial S-Y-E-D. And feel free to drop me a note and feel free to connect. So, so I moved to that company in a slightly different role. Thank you so much for having me, Lawrence. It's not sales in traditional sense, but it's more salesy, because you are building a product that not a lot of people know about, and you're trying to get traction, and you're trying to get people to use it typically. Sameer Syed 13:34 Things that you're accustomed to, but in other ways they try to make it up. And and in general, yes, maybe it's part of the conversation, right. So can we talk a little bit about what your first tech Job was like, because I know it wasn't working at Google right away. Most transitions are going to require many months. You don't know if equity ever going to be worth a worth anything, so you're probably going to take a pay cut. In the U.S. alone, the tech industry has generated around 200,000 new jobs every year since 2010. So another one is violent extremism. That's extremely important. So yeah, thank you again for elaborating on that. I would say, you know, there's no one size fits all playbook. Knowing what you do now? I would really, really appreciate it! If you want to be good at something, you have to try it several times, and you will improve with time. Lunch on Friday. This episode was transcribed with the help of an AI transcription tool. “I always had an interest in tech and media specifically,” Sameer says. Please forgive any typos. But I was very clear on my intent that I wanted to start working on other pieces of the business and expose myself to those things like marketing and understanding the market strategy and helping contribute there. When doing that, do not forget to include your CV together with the job titles. Was there something else that led you to technology? Did like, can I even make this jump? And I think people don't realize that these exist. And I'd caution that happens. Now let's try to figure out how do we partner with someone like, I don't know, Amazon, right to distribute our products and get more exposure. The opportunities abound for earning a lucrative living and now is the time to get on board. So my first role, surprisingly, I would call, I'm not gonna call it an internship. One of the reasons I've done OK in the tech world is that besides being a geek, I'm fairly personable, which can go a long way when working in IT (or any job, for that matter). Let’s talk about IT for a second. Yeah, sure. 1. It's definitely very unique in that you're right from a form of financial perspective compensation perspective. “But the real question is, why haven’t you done it yet? unclear direction you don't know where to go? And we can build a really big community. Sameer Syed 14:28 And I started to think in nine months if I don't have any solid traction, any solid leads, if I haven't gone anywhere…I should probably take a step back and reconsider. So I considered Google I consider Facebook. And that was a huge risk I took so I was there for about the first three months without any salary. Others go for the skills and do not put the degree as their first option. It’s a question that Sameer Syed thought about too while working as an investment banker at JP Morgan. And so I obviously didn't know what I wanted to do in five years or 10 years. So that was a big one that I had to really think about and address. 2. Sameer shares the steps he took to make this career transition and what he believes the keys to his successful pivot were. And you sort of already hinted at what you were doing before you were working in tech, with your organization, Wall Street to Silicon Alley. And, again, not everyone can do that. I mean, the best place for me is LinkedIn, I would say that that's generally the place where I try to keep in touch with folks in the industry and just generally, professionally so um, you can find me on LinkedIn. People think they know a lot about tech, but you'll be surprised if you don't, if you don't really take time and effort. So this is a great opportunity to start exploring other things. And I always had a interest in tech and media specifically. Try to know more about the activities that take place in those companies and also the employees. It really wasn't what my true passion was.”. And then two other areas. So I'm hoping it can inspire and help some of our listeners. Laurence Bradford 6:10 5. I thought, if I'm gonna do it, I’ve got to do it now.”. Like, I know at the startup I was at throughout my time working there, we ended up getting a commuter benefit a gym benefit. But it worked out. Yeah, um, no, that's a really good question. People often think about a career change as some abstract future idea: something they’d like to do someday. Raising efforts and and helping them with some work there, partly because that was a very immediate way I could actually make an impact. For me personally, it was financial insecurity, career suicide and self doubt. One of the bigger areas that we're focusing on is to build technology and promote tools that can help promote a free and open Internet,” he explains. And I think just overcoming just general fears for me, was really difficult. So again, I don't want to put the wrong information out there. But first, instead of having our usual sponsored messages, I want to bring you a special message myself. You know, the whole process when you think about it is really daunting. Laurence Bradford 16:56 You began learning the industry began networking. But I would really love if you could talk a bit about like the identifying the blockers, and we definitely talked about timelines and planning, but I would just love to hear like what your timeline and plan was when you approach this. Were you looking into other fields? When I left it was about 80 people give or take, and especially it's less so now but in the early days, there was so much flexibility to move to a different team to try out different things to get involved and different projects and I mentioned one of my fellow colleagues before from from the past, but he started off as a customer support person, and within a year of him working there again company was very small. And it can do the same for you. I'd be happy to. So that's one of the the bigger areas that we're focusing on. For me personally, it was financial insecurity, career suicide, and self-doubt.”. We had the chance to speak with Ariana Quinones , a recent graduate working as a financial analyst at a tech company in Silicon Valley, about how she got her start, what it’s like doing a financial rotational program, and what students need to know about working in finance and tech. And I would say the first step is really identifying and addressing blockers. Laurence Bradford 0:07 But then there's also much more mature products. Sameer Syed 10:42 January 8th, 2019 But the real question is why? But for some people, people that doesn't work, and I need to go to a larger company. Do I want to succeed and become a senior leader at a bank? It'll be higher, it'll be lower. Some people are thinking of trying other fields so that they can secure their future. “So I started to think about what can I do to make that transition, I really wanted to just to feel fulfilled and excited about the work that I do. And I really tried to network tried to meet people try to understand what opportunities would fit for me, and went down that whole path. And a smaller company like a startup, it's, I did say this, it's a little more heavy on the equity. It's really intimidating and overwhelming, like, Can I do it? That's extremely important. And it certainly wasn't easy. If there was ever an industry to get into, Information Technology must be it. For more free tech related resources, tips and recommendations, visit my website and blog at learntocodewith.me. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. I also have no degree, and came into the industry with no professional experience. It's your downloads, your listens your subscription to the show, ratings and reviews all these things compound and compile together and give our show a shot to compete with all the other big names out there. Yeah, for me, it was just tech in general, just fascinating at the time, to me, I was a technology consumer, like many people, and also media and entertainment was very fascinating to me. What do you need to do to address each one of those to make yourself feel comfortable. Yes, you need a college degree. You can listen to the Learn to Code With Me podcast on the following platforms: If you have a few extra minutes, please rate and review the show in iTunes. So I did that for a number of years. So giving yourself ample time to work through the process is super important. You never know what it leads to.”, “The roadblocks I mentioned earlier held me back for a while. At a larger tech company, the salaries are just a little bit more just because they're much more established. That's not true. Awesome. And then I moved to a company a slightly larger 300 people. are other kinds of benefits. “Number four is taking the time to research and understand roles that exist in tech because that's extremely important. So, yeah, I think I loved what you said about taking the calculated risk and going to a smaller company, and being open to maybe taking less temporarily. And a lot of people are tackling this. Ouch. And I started to really think hard about it. Now if this sounds like you, take a minute to read what I’m about to say. So I would say it was just a matter of getting to the point and realizing that probably not going to be something I'm going to be super excited about down the road. And it's going to take work and dedication. You may need to really explore a handful of new interest and opportunities really to better understand yourself and understand, you know, what's, what's fitting for you. And because a lot of people are out there also doing it for the wrong reasons, they may be doing it because you know, they like the appeal of working for a cool small startup or a big tech company, or they think that, you know, I get to just hang out jeans and have, you know, free food and free drinks. I hope you enjoy this interview. There are things you can consider and still get into technology. When you actually go on this journey, you need to know what you're looking for,” he advises. And the startup phase is a little different, especially when you go to smaller companies, the compensation structure is very different. And it's awesome. I realized that the Learn to Code With Me podcast was ranking quite high in the iTunes technology category. This process is really hard. Okay, let's get into this episode. And I think a lot of people have heard about the crazy perks and they are like, I'm not gonna complain about them, because I think they are phenomenal, especially coming from a world of finance and Wall Street where it's just very different. It If you enjoyed this episode, you can subscribe to my show on whichever podcast player you use. But I kept applying wherever I could, and finally landed an intervi… If you are lucky to secure a small job, you can start by taking different projects to grow. Attend an Industry Organization Meeting. Laurence Bradford 26:48 How to: Get a job in tech (without any experience) | reed.co.uk You don't isn't there, like cafeterias and free meals all the time and all these other benefits that go beyond just like, stuff that you could put, you know, tie a salary figure to? What advice can you share with them being someone who has successfully done it who has moved from finance and now works at Google slash alphabet at this really awesome, like part of the company doing really Like life changing work? available for you, but you may also lack the vital skills that most employers want for a more tech-oriented type of job. Ratings and reviews are extremely helpful when it comes to the ranking of the show. And what led you to want to get into tech and in the first place? And I got to the point, about three, four years later, we're starting to really think is this the path that I want to continue down? Many people are having second thoughts due to the pandemic. Sameer Syed 21:48 Sameer Syed 28:51 Laurence Bradford 3:28 Laurence Bradford 23:42 Listen to his story and career-change advice below! Are you fresh out of Uni? And it gives me the confidence to keep on moving forward with it. I think Samir has really solid advice for those wanting to change careers. Awesome. When it comes to how to get into the tech industry with no experience, it doesn’t just happen by accident—you need a plan! Like the benefits, we got pet benefits, like it kind of grew as company grows and I know at a place like Google. Otherwise, you'll give up too soon, and you may lose opportunities. To end, Sameer has some final advice to future career-changers: “There's no one-size-fits-all playbook. Try doing a small-scale project or “tinkering” with the tools before you move onto a different tech skill or field. Do I want to succeed and become a senior leader at a bank? Yeah, absolutely. So it's really doing that research and really understanding what you're getting yourself into. But I started to lean a little bit more to finance their around acquisitions, looking at companies to potentially acquire and complement their current tools. Be prepared to not get that dream job right away, though. You are willing to w… And that was one of the reasons why when I first even started considering making a transition. And I'm happy to get into some of the more concrete steps if that if you think that can be helpful. “The reality is, people go out there looking to change their career. And navigating a career switch really involves a lot of risks. But I'm very clear on my intent that I wanted to start working on other pieces of the business and expose myself to those things like marketing and understanding, you know, the market strategy and helping contribute there. So, step one to breaking into this lucrative profession – get an education. 81 of the Best Places to Learn to Code For Free, How to Develop an Android App (5 Things to Know Before Starting), 18 Awesome Online Coding Bootcamps to Start Your Tech Career. And that's exactly what I did. I'm really excited to have you on. 6 Steps for Your Transition Into Tech. And with tech talent in demand, the tech industry is a jobseeker’s market. And that's a common question, because there's lots of other rules out there to the folks in the tech space here or talk about and it can vary what those roles actually mean. So we're trying to build technology and promote tools that can help promote a free and open Internet. We obviously can't pay you a lot of money. That's such a great note to end on. 1. Taking calculated risks is worth it to end up in a career you love. When you are confident that you have the skills, you can start by looking for an opportunity in small companies and ask for the lowest role. I'm your host, Laurence Bradford. Sameer Syed 7:33 Still reading? And again, going back to timelines, I decided, Okay, I could probably do this for maybe three months, very minimum salary, I'll be okay. It has spoilt many opportunities and left numerous people unemployed. People who can code are in a great position. 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